We believe in the reality of the person of Satan and that he and the fallen angels wage a spiritual warfare against the plan and purposes of God (John 13:2; Acts 5:3; Ephesians 6:11-12). 18. Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. . Scofield Bible!!!! We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. 1. If I have misunderstood I apologize. They all work together. They had made an idol out of church attendance. 1 John 1:9 I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. What Jesus did on the cross is for our salvation. No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. 5. Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. Biblical Reform School Discipline: Tough Love or Abuse? We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. Im mocking IFB beliefs many of which arent scriptural. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. 53. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. OMG! Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. I dont have a boarden to preform any religious works. They were not Ignorant Fungicidal Blaptists. Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. If you think that the hymnal in the pew is inspired by God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 23. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. 4. I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. Jesus forgives and loves and he also needs to be honored is all respects. Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. The Conservative Baptist Association: "Winning the World" 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. God works in mysterious ways. This list are things that are unique to the IFB. When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. Should we stay living together with our baby in fornication? If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. They are already spelled out in the Bible. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. God forgave because Jesus saved. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). Does he always heal people no. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). 21 And when you swear by the Temple, you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. I dont see how. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. Thats sweet. Independent Baptist - Wikipedia You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. Independent Fundamental Churches of America I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. He is the Head of the church. When this life is over, it doesnt matter! 15 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. N/A IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. THE LAST THINGS Wherever there are people, there is sin. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. BTW, tithing isnt a Biblical teaching for NT Christians. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week (Sunday mornings, Sunday evenings, and Wednesday evenings for Bible studies which I will assume) I cant agree with this, you must attend at least one. People are people and free to choose their own way. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. 24. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! 26. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. I forgave and praise the lord in my life forgiveness was indeed profitable. You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical I do agree that any time when you have health issues its because of sin which is why God allows pain and suffering. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. But if people come here to attack me and my views I will defend myself. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! Wow! )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? You wont go in yourselves, and you dont let others enter either. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. Care to elaborate, provide examples? We believe that , lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are perversions of God's intended purposes and therefore, sin. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. 8. 14. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. I dare say probably not. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). If your denomination knocked on their door im sure they wouldnt have gotten saved and the helped they needed. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Do I believe he punishes no, because Ive gone without tithing and had no awareness of punishment, but when I do tithe I find blessing of increase in physical and spiritual goods. (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. Like I said, Im doing repair work. I was taught that. at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. BUT, there is good news! It uses the Bible to treat everything from porn addiction If you believe that that the wine referred to in the bible is nothing more than the fruit of the vine I generally agree with this part especially when it comes to the Lords Supper because wine from a biblical perspective is grape juice even though I still question if it is NOTHING MORE than the fruit of the vine. If your pastor is a true scholar of the Bible and is on fire with eagerness to teach it, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We got saved that day September 14, 2014. The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. We ARE the church my friend! Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. Independent Baptist - RationalWiki Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? Just please be sure that your judging is fair. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. 7. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. Southern Baptist Beliefs If you might confuse KJV with KJB its the same thing but its a preference on how people might want to call it. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. Hope you have a great day! God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. Praise the lord for forgiveness. Its my calling and my ministry. You can forgive him, that doesnt mean you have to marry him. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. This is the first and great commandment. Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. To train up a child does not mean to beat him with a rod, although there BE TIMES that a spanking becomes necessary, but NEVER out of anger. Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Acts 6:1-7;Philippians 1:1), God established both civil and local church governments. OMG = Oh My Goodness! Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. 2. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. If you believe that your health issue is the result of sin in your life, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 49. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources.
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